One more tidbit I do need to ad. The source for this blast on O'reilley is Media Matters. Who in this blog knows who Media Matters is? Raise your hands...well since I can't see you I will tell you. Media Matters is a front group for the Democrat party started by a close associate of the Clintons. Their purpose is to "expose" false and misleading information in the media. However they rarely if ever expose anything other than what they consider conservative misinformation. Anything that comes from Media Matters should be treated with serious skepticism since neutrality is not their forte.
Thursday October 19, 2006

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Yet another celebrity is sounding off on matters of medicine without getting the facts first. In 2005, Tom Cruise famously called psychiatry “a pseudoscience” and prescribed vitamins and exercise as cures for depression, announcing on the Today show, "There is no such thing as a chemical imbalance in a body.”
Now radio show host Bill O'Reilly is courting controversy by making false statements about abortion on his nationally syndicated radio show, Radio Factor.
According to Media Matters, on the October 11th edition of the program, O'Reilly claimed that it "is never the case" that a "mother's life is in danger" during pregnancy because "you can always have a C-section and do those kinds of things."
He reiterated: "Forty-five percent of Americans, according to a new CNN poll -- 45 percent say all abortions should be outlawed unless the mother's going to die -- or catastrophic health consequences, which again, is never the case -- never."
"I absolutely don't agree," says Dr. Laura Corio, an obstetrician and gynecologist at Mount Sinai. "Pregnancy can absolutely be life threatening. It can be a happy and blessed event, but it can also have a risk. I think it can absolutely be a situation that is life-threatening. Women have died in pregnancy."
According to doctors, there are a variety of conditions in which a woman’s life is threatened by pregnancy. In cases of severe hypertension or a cardiac disorder, delivery could result in a heart attack.
An ectopic pregnancy, in which the fertilized egg typically settles within the fallopian tube, ovary, abdomen, or cervix, instead of the uterus, can also be fatal to the mother if the baby is carried to term.
Also, in cases involving cervical cancer, diabetes, thyroid diseases, GI tract disorders, and infectious diseases, delivery can result in the mother’s death.
Adds Dr. Lisa Masterson, obstetrician and gynecologist at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in L.A.: "Pregnancy is one of the most dangerous things a woman can undertake in her life."
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As I read through these comments I found myself disbelieving that people could be so misinformed.
Jen1 @ 1:19 you listed about a paragraph of programs that the government should be providing for you. The founders would role over in their graves to think that government would be providing such things. This is the purpose of parents not government. Besides with a 4.3 - 7 trillion dollar debt where are we going to come up with the money to pay for? Maybe your grandkids can be mortgaged like your kids already are so you can have your free lunch?
Jen1 @ 3:01 you liken Fox News with Hitler propaganda. You should be ashamed for typing such hateful rhetoric. The rest of this blog should condemn this. Further O'reilley has never said Iraq had anything to do with 9-11 and the argument for the war also never claimed a link. The reason we attacked Iraq according to Bush, the CIA and MI5 is that Iraq was making weapons of mass destruction. There was major concern he would give those weapons to terrorists. We never "Found" the weapons but you should know that does not mean they never existed. As to your comment about the health dangers to women while I agree that O'reilley's coments were ignorant could you please provide some statistics on the number of women who have died as a result of labor in the last 20 years rather than just insulting him? It would certainly bolster your case.
Emily @ 12:35 you made comments regarding the need to educate. Last I knew sex ed was required in every school in the nation. Further since we dropped the barriers and began to teach such "enlightened" lessons abortions have only increased. Today there are more abortions performed, by far, than ever were when it was abstinence only education. You show great ignorance by arguing for taking the moral barriers down as a way to decrease the consequences that come from poor morals.
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Jacqueline @ 1:13 You made a comment the pro-lifers are normally pro- death penalty and what a inconsistency this seems to be. Is it just me that notices that most pro-abortionists are anti the death penalty? Based on your logic isn't that equally inconsistent? Further Pro-Choice folks claim to be all about choice yet what choice does the father or the child have in the process? Isn't it really about given all the power of choice to the woman rather than being for choice in general?
@ 2:16 you made reference to Outfoxed. A propaganda piece I personally have not seen because I have not watched a movie in over 10 years. However here is something you may want to consider: The owner of Fox, Rupert Murdoch, has hosted fund raisers for (D) Hillary Clinton and (D) Chuck Shumer. Hardly sounds like a conservative ideologue.
Kristina @ 3:15 you discussed the importance of planning for an unwanted pregnancy. You are exactly what pro-lifers have hoped and prayed would never happen in this country. I am sorry you think it is ok to preplan for abortion.
Anonymous @ 3:33 you made reference to Pro-Choice folks doing more to lower abortions than anyone else, please read my comments to Emily and let me add further that since those evil Pro-Lifers have had control of the Federal government there has been a steady decrease in abortions. Coincidence? Maybe.
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I could go on and on about the lack of well thought out and informed points in this blog but let me end with this. I don't know all there is to know in life, I am learning as I go. I am a minority in this country, being a white married male who believes in old fashioned morality. I am grieved at the direction of our country. Yes I believe people should be allowed to live in pursuit of happiness as long as it does not affect others. However when we tear down moral fibers in a nation there are far more reaching effects that are occurring that you nor I are able to anticipate. The cost to the mother of abortion is frequently far more than she would have been willing to bear had someone told her. The cost to society is equally far more than either you or I can imagine. Weep for those that had none to weep or fight for them.
As I read through these comments I found myself disbelieving that people could be so misinformed.
Jen1 @ 1:19 you listed about a paragraph of programs that the government should be providing for you. The founders would role over in their graves to think that government would be providing such things. This is the purpose of parents not government. Besides with a 4.3 - 7 trillion dollar debt where are we going to come up with the money to pay for? Maybe your grandkids can be mortgaged like your kids already are so you can have your free lunch?
Jen1 @ 3:01 you liken Fox News with Hitler propaganda. You should be ashamed for typing such hateful rhetoric. The rest of this blog should condemn this. Further O'reilley has never said Iraq had anything to do with 9-11 and the argument for the war also never claimed a link. The reason we attacked Iraq according to Bush, the CIA and MI5 is that Iraq was making weapons of mass destruction. There was major concern he would give those weapons to terrorists. We never "Found" the weapons but you should know that does not mean they never existed. As to your comment about the health dangers to women while I agree that O'reilley's coments were ignorant could you please provide some statistics on the number of women who have died as a result of labor in the last 20 years rather than just insulting him? It would certainly bolster your case.
Emily @ 12:35 you made comments regarding the need to educate. Last I knew sex ed was required in every school in the nation. Further since we dropped the barriers and began to teach such "enlightened" lessons abortions have only increased. Today there are more abortions performed, by far, than ever were when it was abstinence only education. You show great ignorance by arguing for taking the moral barriers down as a way to decrease the consequences that come from poor morals.
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What makes O'Reilly the authority on everything and on nothing. He was caught having phone sex to get his jollies. That's one way not to need an abortion.
Abortion is a moral issue and you shouldn't be allowed to legislate morality. That is something that should be taught at home.
Birth control does not always work. I know I had three 3 unplanned pregnancies and 1 planned pregnancy, 3 surviving children and child died after 6 days. After my last pregnancy I got pregnant again and the doctor said I could maybe have the child but the chances of survival of either of us were minimal. I had a husband and 3 healthy children. If you were given that choice do you think you would make any other choice. I don't. Sometimes they are medically necessary.
I and hundred millions of people watch O'reilly every day. People and especially students who are major in business, law or political science field can learn a lot from him (even High shool students).
I admire him for quick thinking, provide so much facts and shows two sides of view. In the end, O'reilly told us we decide, not him. There are some who still hate him for exposing them in front millions of people and/or jealousing of his successul radio and TV talk show.
not surprising. he's a sensationalist like the rest of them...it's not the 1st time he's made statements without the research to back them.
I think that Bill O'riely is a pompus jerk that doesn't know what the hell he's talking about, I mean come on he's a guy how much could he possibly know on the subject? There are in some cases situations where an abortion is necesary.
Anonymous 3:33 pm. THANK YOU! You made a very true and fact based statement about the pro lifers being against contraception. They do not want people to have an abortion but they don't want them to keep from having an unwanted pregnancy either, it's such a catch 22. As I said before I am not personally for abortion but I don't think that I could necessarily make that decision for someone else, other then I do believe it should certainly not be used as a form of birth control. I will say however I believe Candice said something about us letting God judge those who terminate their pregnancies, aren't we kind of shunning God by terminating the pregnancy considering we're not letting him decide who comes into this earth and who doesn't?
Thanks Michelle. Emily, great post. And 11:50 am Anon brings up a great point which is that there are many many many kids hoping to be adopted. To say just put it up for adoption does not make sense when there are so many kids in foster homes, including toddlers an infants. (I have a friend who is the director of a private adoption/foster care/therapy agency and every time I see her she tries to hook me up with a child, usually a very young one. I have also seen the older kids bounce from home to home to home, sometimes at the rate of every six weeks. They do that all without even a suitcase provided by the government agency who is their legal guardian. A private organization started donating luggage for the kids.) Is there a wait for adoption? Sure, mostly for white infants. Add in all the legal stuff and that accounts for the average wait time, not lack of children who need homes. Most foster parents do not even get enough money from the government to cover the expenses they take on.
I also see that the women who do have multiple abortions over time was brought up and the idea of limiting the number you can have. Well let me ask you this: Do you really want a woman who has repeatedly decided that she does not want children and who perhaps is very irresponsible raising a child? I'm going to guess no. But I'm also going to point out that the lack of programs to aid parents in need, the lack of programs promoting contraceptives, the lack of available counseling to lower income families means that once that woman DOES have a child you don't want to help her then either. The disdain that a person feels and is treated with when they do take governmental help...well, I guess some people must turn others into pariahs no matter what their choices are.
I have never had an abortion. I have always been responsible, and have ensured that I have never had to call a pregnancy a mistake. Children aren't spelling errors, and you can't just erase them when you make one.
I have friends who have had abortions, however, not because they were life-threatening, or some other serious issue. Rather, they had abortions because they decided it's much easier than raising a child. One friend in particular has had three. Her reasons? She just decided she would rather not- three times. The irony is that now she has had three children that she did not abort.
To me, having an abortion is like going through a reverse McDonalds. You are hurried in, stripped clean, and hurried out just as quickly. How easy our society has made the taking away of life.
Do women require abortions in the event of a life-threatening occurance? Absolutely. Does Bill O'reilly have the qualifications to speak on behalf of any sex? I think not.
If he truly wants to focus on an abortion issue. Let's go with the "drive-by" abortions.
Adrianna
Yay, Jacqueline and Emily. Good for you both!
I am glad that women do have the right to chose. I hope that right is not taken away. I am willing to bet that many of the pro-lifers also are not toooo into their money going to fund social programs, just a hunch. Without this option, we will have EVEN more unwanted babies, more money needed for the babies health needs, more teenage moms unable to pay for their babies, and in the end more money to support these unwanted pregnancies. It's so important to look at issues and understand them and be able to put yourself in someone elses shoes and try and understand. Unfortunately many people are not able to do that and are soo set on what they believe is right, that they are missing so much of REALITY. And for right winged Christian conservatives - why don't you just worry about yourself getting into Heaven. I mean don't worry if other people will or will not, worry about YOURSELF. Let other people chose for themselves what they believe is right. And anyway, I really don't think anyone believes abortion is a great wonderful thing to do, it comes out of necessity and obviously a feeling of hopelessness.
WIERD! I was actually going to post how much I like the way you think! Great minds and all that... I was afraid it would have been considered "off topic".
Nice to see US Weekly making good use of their posting blockers/filters on the mud-slinging posts.
2:51 PM Anonymous
I think ano here smoked a doobie to many... he/she's getting all psycho about conspiracy... maybe it's because i'm french, but i didn't get anyhting he/she said! :))
And Emily well said.
I'm not commenting on the subject (abortion) cause i think it's too touchy and everyone is entitle to an opinion.. We all belive in what we belive in!
It is very interesting to me that people don't realize that the Pro-Choice movement has done more to lower the abortion rate than the pro-life movement could ever dream of. The reasoning behind this is that 90% of pro-life organizations (feel free to check my facts)are AGAINST contraception. They don't always publish this info - but ask them the straight truth and they will admit it. Without contraception there is no hope to lower the abortion rate. As much as people wish it were true, pre-marital, unprotected sex will never end. Let's try encouraging people to be safe rather than trying to drown them in "moral" propaganda.
If you give money to the pro-life organizations that don't support contraception then you are throwing your money away. How, pray tell, do they really plan on lowering the abortion rate? It's not working.
yeah Jaqueline!
obviously we think a like, and obviously we both replied to the same post that now doesn't exist!
Anon 3:04, please don't paint all Americans with the same brush. Stay on track and understand that the enemy is not Americans but O'Reilly. He and his non-fact based opinion are the subject of these discussions and becoming emotional and irrational is not condusive to a contructive discussion on abortion and Mr. O'Reilly.
Instead give us your p.o.v. on O'Reilly's comments concerning abortion and your own feelings in reagrd to abortion. But pleasedo not a rant about America and the poor spelling abilities of Anon 1:51pm (no matter how poor his/her abilities may be).
Sorry guys, I know I've said a lot, but now I realize my last comment makes no sense because the post I responded to has been taken down.
I'm sure you can guess what was said by my reply, but I wanted to make sure you didn't think I was crazy like say.....Bill O'Reilly?
Anonymous...I don't think this conversation is about grammer, but if you're that anal I'll try a little harder to spell things correctly. Interesting that you would move the conversation to a personal insult. Obviously you are not skilled in the art of arguing. You see, often when people are losing an argument they will turn the discussion to something personally insulting and clearly irrelevant. I see this is the case here.
I'm done anyway. I know that the majority of the US readers are intelligent and even if they don't agree with abortion they can see that Bill O'Reilly has only made himself look stupid. I don't have a problem with people who think abortion is wrong, only with people who think Bill O'Reilly is someone who knows what he is talking about. The man scares the heck out of me, simply because there are so many people out there that believe what he says.
By the way, I have two unveristy degrees, and when I want to use proper grammer, in a setting that demands it (i.e. essays) then I really have no trouble doing it....and i'm Canadian so I think you may want to re-examine why the world has a problem with Americans. I'm pretty sure it has nothing to do with grammer and spelling.
"I beleive that other than in the cases of incest and rape. If you are old enough to spread your legs then your old enough to take on the consequences of your actions."
I read this as one of the posts made by Anonymous earlier today and I have something to say regarding this.
What makes a child concieved through rape or incest less significant than a child concieved during consensual sex that you would say it's "ok" for that pregnancy to be aborted?
Also, in response to your ignorant comment about "If you are old enough to spread your legs then you're old enough to take on the consequences of your actions"...
First off, have you ever considered the fact that some couples, my boyfriend and I included, have discussed what they would do in the case of an unwanted/unplanned pregnancy before even having sex in the first place? And with that discussion, perhaps the mutual decision is to terminate that unwanted pregnancy, should it arise. Pregnancy is an inevitable outcome of having sex, even while using contraceptives it can still happen. If you are old enough to have sex, you should discuss a plan of action with your partnet on how to deal with the consequences if pregnancy were to happen.
Just because someone who has not been raped or a victim of incest, and becomes pregnant through sexual intercourse with their boyfriend, it does not mean that keeping the unwanted pregnancy is the "responsible" thing to do. That is why we have a choice - and thank God for that!
Anonymous 2:51 what the heck are you talking about? who is a lawyer? Me? nope not me....I can't even tell what you stand for except I can probably guess since you used the 'evil' word liberal (did you know in Canada we have a whole party named the Liberals? And they are the centerist party...so don't ever come here)
why don't you actually try using a name and own your opinion....or at least make your opinion clear, instead of sounding like some weird paranoid neo nazi
Anon....I fear for you....Bill may say 1 thing out of 10 that is actually true. He doesn't do research, he just spouts off what he believes is true. Fox news and their conservative commentators should not be called news it should be called fiction.
If one went back to the pre-WW II nazi germany we would see many of the propaganda tactics that are now used by Fox news and people like Bill.
PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE SAYS SOMETHING ON TV DOES NOT MAKE IT TRUE. If you agree with something someone says on the Fox "news" channel. Try actually researching it and look at the true facts. You will see that they are just telling you what conservatives want to hear.......Global warming doesn't exist, women can't die from pregnancy, Iraq had something to do with 9/11.....it's all lies and said only because it helps reinforce the rediciulous and Country ruining policies of the George Bush government. They probably will come up with a reason for how in the Mark Foley scandle it was actually the 16 yr old pages fault.
I mean really anonymous.....the guy you say is looking out for us is the same guy who was sexually harassing his assistant over the phone and then blamed someone else for it.
the guy is scum and ruining your country. He should be banned, not abortion
I'm pregnant with my first child and I'm scared as hell! I'm grateful that I'm having a healthy pregnancy so far but so many other women aren't so fortunate! I think Mr. Bill "Over Opinionated" O'Reilly should have a uterus put in him and be inpregnated and become subject to all those health risks before he blabs another word about this issue!
Anonymous, 1:51 PM ------ THANK YOU ............
We have extremist are living among us. Taxpayers are tired us of paying for or awarding this kind of behavior. Health care are on the rise, and company cannot survive for doing business in America; the fact is, just look at businesses have been moving out of Cal, and USA looses jobs to oversea.
Who are these people are constantly talking on Internet? be aware of they are lawyers. These liberal lawyers are well paid and can turn any thing from black to white. These liberal lawyers condone your children's bad and irresponsible behavior. But they will not let it happen to their kids, because These people, their kids are well protected, but they don't care about yours.
It's at your children and yours lost, but they are winning for running these programs.
Anon 1:51 pm - Outfoxed! Great movie exposing the propaganda machine that is Fox News. I highly recomend it to everyone!
Bill O'Reilly is the bad guy. He is forcing America to remain in her bubble. He is justifiably entitled to his opinion regarding abortion but NOT, and I repeat NOT on the basis that a woman's life is NEVER in danger as a result of complications in her pregnancy.



