Jana Kramer ‘Shattered’ a Door After Mike Caussin Split: Revelations From Her ‘Red Table Talk’ Interview

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Jana Kramer 'Shattered' a Door After Mike Caussin Split: Revelations From Her 'Red Table Talk' Interview

Breaking it down. Jana Kramer detailed her split from ex-husband Mike Caussin on an episode of Red Table Talk centered on the topic of "toxic forgiveness." The "Why You Wanna" songstress, 38, opened up about her decision to file for divorce from the former NFL player, 35, during the Wednesday, October 19, episode of Jada Pinkett Smith's Facebook Watch series. The One Tree Hill alum had previously forgiven him for cheating on her during their marriage, but she finally lost her patience in 2021. "Every time he did cheat and I would find out, there would be something different he would say that I would hold on to," Kramer explained when asked why she continued to believe his behavior would change. "Like, 'I'm gonna get baptized,' or, 'I'm gonna go to therapy every week.'" When the "Whine Down" podcast host "caught him again" in April 2021, she decided to file for divorce. "He's like, 'Now I know I'll never do it again,' and I'm like, 'You know what? For that person, she's gonna be real lucky that you won't,'" the Michigan native recalled. "And that's when I left." [jwplayer 8Eat8MFp-zhNYySv2] The former couple — who share daughter Jolie, 6, and son Jace, 3 — tied the knot in May 2015. In 2016, Us Weekly broke the news that Caussin had cheated on his wife with multiple women and sought treatment for sex addiction. The duo briefly separated before renewing their vows in 2017. In September 2020, they published a book about their relationship titled The Good Fight: Wanting to Leave, Choosing to Stay, and the Powerful Practice for Loving Faithfully. Though Kramer said she told her husband at the time that she'd forgiven him for his infidelity, she realizes now that she hadn't actually moved past the incident. "I didn't forgive him," she told Pinkett Smith, 51. "I said I trusted him — I didn't trust him. I was still always, like, looking and trying to find things. And I was waiting for the next shoe to drop." The One Brick founder explained that she stayed in the relationship so long because she didn't want her kids to have to go back and forth between their parents' homes. "I came from a broken family, and my whole thing was I do not want my children to grow up in a broken house," Kramer said. "I hated Christmas because I had to separate Christmas and that was stressful." The Prom Night actress admitted that it could take a while for her to fully heal from the split, but she's already feeling better about certain things. Kramer noted that she used to avoid driving a certain route because she didn't want to see a hotel where she knew Caussin had carried on some of his alleged affairs, but she's now able to see the building without getting upset. "I avoided it, but then that made it even worse in my chest," she explained. "So, then I was like, 'I'm not gonna change my route anymore.' And over time the intensity [diminished] and I was like, 'There's the Aloft? OK, cool.'" New episodes of Red Table Talk air on Facebook Watch Wednesdays at 12 p.m. ET. Keep scrolling for more revelations from Kramer's interview.

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Jana Kramer 'Shattered' a Door After Mike Caussin Split: Revelations From Her 'Red Table Talk' Interview

Breaking it down. Jana Kramer detailed her split from ex-husband Mike Caussin on an episode of Red Table Talk centered on the topic of "toxic forgiveness." The "Why You Wanna" songstress, 38, opened up about her decision to file for divorce from the former NFL player, 35, during the Wednesday, October 19, episode of Jada Pinkett Smith's Facebook Watch series. The One Tree Hill alum had previously forgiven him for cheating on her during their marriage, but she finally lost her patience in 2021. "Every time he did cheat and I would find out, there would be something different he would say that I would hold on to," Kramer explained when asked why she continued to believe his behavior would change. "Like, 'I'm gonna get baptized,' or, 'I'm gonna go to therapy every week.'" When the "Whine Down" podcast host "caught him again" in April 2021, she decided to file for divorce. "He's like, 'Now I know I'll never do it again,' and I'm like, 'You know what? For that person, she's gonna be real lucky that you won't,'" the Michigan native recalled. "And that's when I left." [jwplayer 8Eat8MFp-zhNYySv2] The former couple — who share daughter Jolie, 6, and son Jace, 3 — tied the knot in May 2015. In 2016, Us Weekly broke the news that Caussin had cheated on his wife with multiple women and sought treatment for sex addiction. The duo briefly separated before renewing their vows in 2017. In September 2020, they published a book about their relationship titled The Good Fight: Wanting to Leave, Choosing to Stay, and the Powerful Practice for Loving Faithfully. Though Kramer said she told her husband at the time that she'd forgiven him for his infidelity, she realizes now that she hadn't actually moved past the incident. "I didn't forgive him," she told Pinkett Smith, 51. "I said I trusted him — I didn't trust him. I was still always, like, looking and trying to find things. And I was waiting for the next shoe to drop." The One Brick founder explained that she stayed in the relationship so long because she didn't want her kids to have to go back and forth between their parents' homes. "I came from a broken family, and my whole thing was I do not want my children to grow up in a broken house," Kramer said. "I hated Christmas because I had to separate Christmas and that was stressful." The Prom Night actress admitted that it could take a while for her to fully heal from the split, but she's already feeling better about certain things. Kramer noted that she used to avoid driving a certain route because she didn't want to see a hotel where she knew Caussin had carried on some of his alleged affairs, but she's now able to see the building without getting upset. "I avoided it, but then that made it even worse in my chest," she explained. "So, then I was like, 'I'm not gonna change my route anymore.' And over time the intensity [diminished] and I was like, 'There's the Aloft? OK, cool.'" New episodes of Red Table Talk air on Facebook Watch Wednesdays at 12 p.m. ET. Keep scrolling for more revelations from Kramer's interview.

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The Beginning of Their Relationship

"I was 30 and I really wanted a family," Kramer recalled of the period when she started dating Caussin. "I had just been searching to find my worth through a man. There were flags in the beginning. He had cheated a month into dating. But I'm like, 'It's OK, I've cheated in past relationships and I didn't forgive myself for it, so I'm gonna forgive you. I can make this work, we can grow together.'"

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How She Initially Discovered the Cheating

After a friend told her that "something's not right" with Caussin, the country singer decided to go through his phone bill to see if he'd been in contact with other women in 2021. "That's when I found out the truth," Kramer recalled, alleging that her ex had cheated with "more" than 13 women.

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Their 1st Reconciliation

The pair discussed Caussin's first cheating scandal on their podcast, and the former athlete said he thought they would eventually look back on it and laugh because they had so much trust "in the bank." Kramer, however, said that wasn't accurate. "There was nothing in the bank," she recalled. "I didn't know then he was cheating, but even in our book — the book that I thought he was honest and he was sober and he was being truthful with me —​​   there's a chapter in there where he 1,000 percent did not tell the truth of what he was actually doing."

The Dancing With the Stars alum claimed that her ex told her that discussing their romance on the podcast actually encouraged his infidelity. "He says the podcast was a catalyst for more of his cheating because it made him feel like he always had the spotlight on him," Kramer said. "So, then I felt like it was my fault, because if only we didn't have that podcast, he wouldn't have cheated. ... He felt pressure to be this perfect [guy]."

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The Final Straw

After deciding to file for divorce, Kramer said she "shattered so many things" in the house she shared with Caussin, including a glass pantry door. "Me and my girlfriends, we took a bat to it," she recalled. "And we just shattered it. I destroyed all of his Xboxes and all those things that he said was his only vice. I wrote all over his tux. I went real crazy for a minute."

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How They're Doing Now

Kramer said that she and her ex have had "a few" family dinners, but she's not ready to establish a once-a-month routine. "Some of them have been great, and others I'm like, 'That doesn't feel good,'" she explained. "It makes me sad when I [leave] because I'm going home and my kids are [with their dad]." She also teared up while talking about how the children will spend Christmas Day at their father's house. "That one's gonna hurt," she said. "That's when I get like, 'That's not fair. You took away my dream too of what I wanted for my family.'"

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Her Ampersand Tattoo

Kramer explained that the new ink she got in July represents her healing process after her divorce. "That's why I got the ampersand tattoo," she said. "Because I can be healing and hurt. I can be in pain and hopeful."