Demi Moore and Daughters Rumer and Tallulah’s Candid ‘Red Table Talk’ Interview Covers Ashton Kutcher, Substance Abuse and Sex

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Demi Moore and Daughters Rumer and Tallulah’s Candid ‘Red Table Talk’ Interview Covers Ashton Kutcher, Substance Abuse and Sex

A powerful conversation. Demi Moore was joined by her daughters Rumer and Tallulah Willis on Jada Pinkett Smith’s Red Table Talk — and the women did not hold back. “You can tell your kids, ‘I love you, I love you so much,’ every day, but if that’s not reflected in how you feel about yourself as the mother, your kids are going to pick up on that,” Rumer, 31, began on the Monday, November 4, episode of the Facebook Watch series. “If my mom doesn’t love herself, how can I do that?” The 56-year-old actress, who is also the mother of Scout Willis, 28, replied: “How can I expect her to love herself?” The interview comes a month after Moore released her book, Inside Out, which detailed the G.I. Jane star’s substance abuse struggles. In the tell-all, Moore revealed that she relapsed after nearly 20 years of sobriety during her relationship with Ashton Kutcher, who is 15 years younger than her. “Ashton was enjoying a glass of good red wine when he said, ‘I don’t know if alcoholism is a real thing — I think it’s all about moderation,’” Moore wrote in the book. “I wanted to be that girl. The girl who could have a glass of wine at dinner, or do a tequila shot at a party. In my mind, Ashton wanted that, too.” While discussing the moment on Red Table Talk, Moore further explained why she wanted to “be that girl.” [jwplayer eZaVwHDG-l3ahXupL] “I ended up pregnant and then I lost the baby, at almost six months,” Moore explained. “When I couldn’t get pregnant again, the guilt that I felt, that it was clearly my fault, was just enormous. So we went on this trip and Ashton said, ‘I don’t know if alcoholism is a thing, I think it’s about moderation.’ If I had stayed close to working my program. … I lived the majority of my adult life sober. I was great sober.” Moore continued: “I made my own story up that he wanted somebody that he could have wine with. He’s not the cause of why I opened that door. I wanted to be something other than who I am. It was literally like giving my power away.” Tallulah, for her part, was 9 years old when her mother started drinking again. “No one in our family spoke about it. I had no idea what was going on. She had been sober my entire childhood,” the 25-year-old explained. “And then she drank. I just knew that I was scared and she was unsafe.” Moore and Kutcher, who wed in 2005, called it quits in 2011 after he was allegedly unfaithful. The That ‘70s Show actor married Mila Kunis in 2015. After Moore’s book was released, Kutcher, who shares Wyatt, 4, and Dimitri, 2, with Kunis, seemingly reacted to the stories in the memoir via Twitter. “I was about to push the button on a really snarky tweet. Then I saw my son, daughter, and wife and I deleted it. ❤️,” he wrote at the time. Scroll through for five takeaways from the candid Red Table Talk interview:

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Demi Moore and Daughters Rumer and Tallulah’s Candid ‘Red Table Talk’ Interview Covers Ashton Kutcher, Substance Abuse and Sex

A powerful conversation. Demi Moore was joined by her daughters Rumer and Tallulah Willis on Jada Pinkett Smith’s Red Table Talk — and the women did not hold back. “You can tell your kids, ‘I love you, I love you so much,’ every day, but if that’s not reflected in how you feel about yourself as the mother, your kids are going to pick up on that,” Rumer, 31, began on the Monday, November 4, episode of the Facebook Watch series. “If my mom doesn’t love herself, how can I do that?” The 56-year-old actress, who is also the mother of Scout Willis, 28, replied: “How can I expect her to love herself?” The interview comes a month after Moore released her book, Inside Out, which detailed the G.I. Jane star’s substance abuse struggles. In the tell-all, Moore revealed that she relapsed after nearly 20 years of sobriety during her relationship with Ashton Kutcher, who is 15 years younger than her. “Ashton was enjoying a glass of good red wine when he said, ‘I don’t know if alcoholism is a real thing — I think it’s all about moderation,’” Moore wrote in the book. “I wanted to be that girl. The girl who could have a glass of wine at dinner, or do a tequila shot at a party. In my mind, Ashton wanted that, too.” While discussing the moment on Red Table Talk, Moore further explained why she wanted to “be that girl.” [jwplayer eZaVwHDG-l3ahXupL] “I ended up pregnant and then I lost the baby, at almost six months,” Moore explained. “When I couldn’t get pregnant again, the guilt that I felt, that it was clearly my fault, was just enormous. So we went on this trip and Ashton said, ‘I don’t know if alcoholism is a thing, I think it’s about moderation.’ If I had stayed close to working my program. … I lived the majority of my adult life sober. I was great sober.” Moore continued: “I made my own story up that he wanted somebody that he could have wine with. He’s not the cause of why I opened that door. I wanted to be something other than who I am. It was literally like giving my power away.” Tallulah, for her part, was 9 years old when her mother started drinking again. “No one in our family spoke about it. I had no idea what was going on. She had been sober my entire childhood,” the 25-year-old explained. “And then she drank. I just knew that I was scared and she was unsafe.” Moore and Kutcher, who wed in 2005, called it quits in 2011 after he was allegedly unfaithful. The That ‘70s Show actor married Mila Kunis in 2015. After Moore’s book was released, Kutcher, who shares Wyatt, 4, and Dimitri, 2, with Kunis, seemingly reacted to the stories in the memoir via Twitter. “I was about to push the button on a really snarky tweet. Then I saw my son, daughter, and wife and I deleted it. ❤️,” he wrote at the time. Scroll through for five takeaways from the candid Red Table Talk interview:

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On Demi’s Substance Abuse

Tallulah compared her mother’s relapse to her turning into “a monster.”

“I remember there’s just the anxiety that would come up in my body when I could sense that her eyes were shutting a little bit more, the way she was speaking. Or she would be a lot more affectionate with me if she wasn’t sober," Tallulah explained. “There were moments where it would  get angry. … I recall being very upset and kind of treating her like a child. … It was not the mom that we had gown up with.”

In 2012, Moore was rushed to the hospital after she took a hit of synthetic pot and nitrous oxide.

"I was there in the other room with 911, panicking," Rumer recalled on Monday. "Because I'm like, 'All right, either my mom's going to die and I'm not going to be in the room and I'm going to feel the guilt of that for the rest of my life, or I'm going to be there and see this image of my mom that I will never get out of my head… Or I'm going to have to call my sisters in the morning and tell them that our mom died and they're never going to talk to her again.'"

Moore revealed on Monday’s episode that she will be eight years sober in January.

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On Marriage to Ashton

“So much of that time, especially with Ashton, I was so angry because I felt like something that was mine had been taken away,” Rumer said. “When she wanted to have another baby, and then it wasn’t happening, and then there was so much focus on that, it was like, ‘Oh we’re not enough.’”

The Dancing With the Stars alum added that she moved out of the house after her mother’s miscarriage.

“After you had a miscarriage, I literally was just like, ‘Why are you so desperate to have another kid?’ I couldn’t stand the idea,” Rumer admitted. “But then I found these pictures and I was like, ‘Oh my God.’ I saw how big her stomach was and I was like, ‘Oh my God. I’m so insensitive.’”

Moore added that she was codependent on Kutcher.

“My addiction to Ashton was probably almost more devastating,” the Ghost star said. “It took me seriously away emotionally.”

Tallulah, who still lived with Moore when she with Kutcher, told her mother that she felt “forgotten” during their marriage.

“I developed and I nurtured a narrative that she didn’t love me,” Tallulah said. “I truly believed it. And I know that she does. 100 percent, but in that moment, you’re hurt. And you can’t fathom that someone that loves you would do that to you. And would chose others more than you.”

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On Tallulah and Rumer’s Addiction Issues

“When I stopped talking to my mom, then it kind of kicked up into high gear. I started getting anxiety attacks about how bad I was going to feel the next day,” Rumer explained. “So I would be drunk and start hyperventilating and freak out. I made my friend call 911 once. I definitely feel like my addiction lies more so in the love addict, codependency.”

After Pinkett Smith admitted that she had her first drink at 6 years old, Tallulah revealed her first taste of alcohol was champagne on a family vacation at the age of 14. A year later, she was drinking hard liquor.

“When I was 15 I guzzled vodka and I almost died of alcohol poisoning. And then I think, when my mom began to … things were really painful, that’s when I began to drink heavily.”

Tallulah’s struggles continued when she moved in with Rumer, who kicked her out after discovering empty wine bottles by her bed and medicine missing from her cabinet.

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On Coming Back Together as a Family

After Tallulah moved out of Rumer’s place, she moved in with her dad, Bruce Willis, at the Beverly Hills Hotel.

“My dad didn’t understand that once a child graduates from high school, you still have to take care of them. I truly don’t think he recalled that,” she explained, noting that the actor didn’t know “what to do” with her.

Tallulah hit rock bottom when she was too high to meet her little sister. (While she didn’t specify the timeline, Bruce and his second wife, Emma Heming, share daughters Mabel, 7, and Evelyn, 5.)

“Our little sister was about to be born and Scout came in to tell me and I had taken a bunch of codeine and I had done a bunch of cocaine that morning,” Tallulah recalled. “And Scout couldn’t wake me up. She was shaking me. … When I finally woke up, she was crying and I made her feel horrible about it. Then I woke up a few hours later and I was hysterically crying.”

After an intervention with Rumer and Scout, Tallulah moved back in with Moore and asked to go to treatment. The family of five reunited for the first time in years while visiting Tallulah in rehab.

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On Sex

“In the book, she talks about one of the first times she had sex and how she felt she needed to,” Tallulah said. “And how she felt like it was something expected of her, which has pretty much been my exact story.”

In Inside Out, the Striptease star revealed that she was raped by a man who paid her mother $500 to have sex with Moore, who was 15 years old at the time.  

“I have blotted out the exact sequence of events — the details that led from me opening the front door, to wondering if my mother had given him a key, to feeling trapped in my own home with a man three times my age and twice my size, to him raping me,” she wrote. “I had nobody to protect me.”